Continuing from last week's ThreeWay Chat, Amy, Prof C, KL and Julia tackle butch fashion iconography, group therapize excerpts from KL's fantasy life, and continue to poke fun at all kinds of lesbians — especially ourselves.
Amy: What else do we have to say about ourselves as butches and femmes?
Professor C: Yeah, let's think of things people always forget to talk about when it comes to b-f.
KL: Wait. Like what people don't know about us?
Amy: Instead of "poor us”?
Professor C: In some ways b-f is the model for lesbianism because of the historical precedent, so some of the hate/distancing may just be people defining themselves against a model? I don't know, is that true?
Amy: I think that makes sense.
Professor C: Or we could talk about clothes.
Amy: Hmmmm! Yes! Can I start by saying this? And you try to figure this shit out?
KL: YES! Clothes. Here is what I can't stand…
Amy: I just bought Ali this Pee-Wee Herman shirt that looks like his suit. And she just put it on, and it's the hottest thing ever. What does that mean? I like gays mixed w/butch?
KL: … when femmes feel like they deserve a medal for wearing a lot of lace and pink and shit with cherries on it. Like, get away from me.
Julia: Pee-wee is def a fey butch icon.
Pee-wee Herman practices his GQ look.
KL: No, he is not. Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke. Butch icon.
Julia: He is completely queer!
Professor C: I think he's more of a little boy queen.
KL: (Obviously I've now moved onto referencing movies I've never seen.)
Julia: I liked your recent referencing of River Phoenix' character in Stand By Me, Lieds. He was such my teen heartthrob.
Amy: ME TOO.
Julia: Which makes SO much sense now...
Amy: That's because he wore tight white t-shirts and looked SO butch.
Amy: b/c all butches look like pre-teen boys.
Professor C: But not like a man butch.
River Phoenix in Stand By Me, hottest butch beefcake shouldbian OF ALL TIME.
KL: Why are tight white t-shirts so butch?
Amy: Sorry Emma, not ALL.
Julia: Even his demeanor. The upstanding, trustworthy, marginalized tough guy. Omg. Swoon.
Professor C: Ugh.