Open Thread: Zen Monday

In this world
Hate never dispels hate.
Only love dispels hate.
This is the Truth, ancient and inexhaustible. — the Dhammapada



Comments [35]

Not2Taem's picture

Hate does not dispel hate,

Hate does not dispel hate, but sometimes love doesn't do it either. Sometimes it requires a lot of different energies: patience, logic, determination, stubbornness, legal proceedings, protests, disruption of the status quo, etc.

camomileroses's picture

It is my belief that

It is my belief that patience, logic, determination, stubbornness, legal proceedings, protest and disruption of the status quo may constitute the path to social change through love of the protester. Martin Luther King and Ghandi did not engage in civil disobedience from a position of hate, quite the opposite. They used all of the tools you mentioned to create social change guided by love for humanity and the belief that the actions they took in the name of love could overcome the hate of others.

yonks's picture

I'm such Spinosist, i don't

I'm such Spinosist, i don't believe there is a scale of value between emotion, each had its purpose, each have bad side, some peoples need to learn to protect themselves, haven't you heard a woman hit by her boyfriend and saying but i love him. In that case, the woman would have interest to find some hate in her to get the energy to run away, or to fight back.
I had to learn to unlove somehow, not in that kind of case. Its difficult because, you never think that love can be a bad thing. Bad love, mostly hurt the owner, you have to learn to protect yourself and use all emotional resources in an appropriate way

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camomileroses's picture

i guess the question is, what

i guess the question is, what is love? just bcs you say it does it make it so?

camomileroses's picture

clarification: just because

clarification: just because you say "it" is love (the dv woman professing her love for her abuser, etc) does that mean what you are experiencing actually is love?

camomileroses's picture

P.S. I don't know why two

P.S. I don't know why two different pictures are randomly appearing next to various comments. It's all me though, good or bad!

yonks's picture

And sometime, hate can be the

And sometime, hate can be the last survival energy regain in case of deep desperation.

-Do not follow me, I'M LOST-

Not2Taem's picture

True that. It can be a

True that. It can be a tremendous release, and if briefly employed without harming others, does not harm to one feeling it either.

minniesota's picture

It's true but I'm not evolved

It's true but I'm not evolved enough to be a saint. There's still a few things and people in this world I hate.

Still searching for the right brainy quote.

yonks's picture

crap, my cat is jammed on the

crap, my cat is jammed on the roof and too afraid to get down, i don't have no ladder and its 1:30 what should i do?

-Do not follow me, I'M LOST-

Not2Taem's picture

Cats are independent beasts.

Cats are independent beasts. If the house isn't burning down, leave it be. It will come down when it is darn good and ready. Then again, if the house were burning down, I'm pretty sure you would have immediate evidence that it hadn't been stuck at all. Laughing out loud

yonks's picture

you should have ear his

you should have ear his MEOWWW! such an heart braking Crying

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itty's picture

I'm glad your kitty's okay

I'm glad your kitty's okay Yonks...
Smile

yonks's picture

Thanks for him :)

Thanks for him Smile

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Not2Taem's picture

I know, they sound absolutely

I know, they sound absolutely tragic. But the animal behaviorists indicate that it is exceptionally rare that they are actually stuck and longing for someone to bail them out. Supposedly it is more often something below them that is bumming them out.

yonks's picture

Thats remind me couple of

Thats remind me couple of year ago, i read an article about the fact that we use to think that animals (except for a mother and child) doesn't help each other and have no compassion for others suffering.
They give examples of elephants who freed gazelles by destroying fence. And also, there is a statue of a cat south of france, a family was hiding in a cave during WW2 with not much food and the cat was going out hunting, every days, all day long to bring them rats, birds, lizards. They said that it keep them alive and strong. After the war, he never go hunting again.
I've found that story so cool.

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yonks's picture

Okay his down thank goddess

Okay his down thank goddess

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camomileroses's picture

"Hate never dispels

"Hate never dispels hate."
This reminds me of the weakness in the Sacha Baron Cohen "Bruno" argument (see Bruno blog) that the movie will help dispel prejudices through satire: a movie that covertly ridicules unwitting "candid camera" bigots will never dispel the hate bigots feel towards gay people. There is no overriding social benefit to the movie. It is merely entertainment for some.

rovermom's picture

I'm trying to keep my zen

I'm trying to keep my zen going even in the midst of change and challenge.

I'm trying to stay mindful at the most crucial time....

K I T's picture

Roverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i

Roverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
i can only hope and do wish for u that the change and challenge lead to or are something positive
and that the crucial is not as bad or dangerous etc as it sounds?

rovermom's picture

:) Good seeing you again

Smile

Good seeing you again Kit...

Rusty's picture

Grace, this is one of those

Grace, this is one of those truisms I never remember until after the fact and I wonder why I feel so crappy.

"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna

Annie Oakley's picture

Sickening & saddening.

Sickening & saddening. Another example of "historic tolerance", eh Obama?

Sudan women 'lashed for trousers'

Tex's picture

Big smooch to all....I love

Big smooch to all....I love loving!

Twitter Time @kdhales

yonks's picture

I remember your ancient

I remember your ancient signature: "nothing but love"

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Tex's picture

Pepe! You remembered, and I

Pepe! You remembered, and I had forgotten....you are one in a million!

I was thinking just the other day about TLW and OC....how we let their endings overshadow their begginings....most of us met and got to know either other there....to me, that will always be a very good thing!

Nothing but love,

Tex

Twitter Time @kdhales

rovermom's picture

I was just thinking today

I was just thinking today about OC. It feels like a forever ago.

Missing you guys!

PS...I'm back home in PA...working for the same company...different shift (OY 3:45am comes too fast!!)...I don't have internet back yet - so I'm catching up here and there.

K I T's picture

good to see you missed you

good to see you

missed you to hon !
hope you get your connection back asap
winks

yonks's picture

How could i have forgotten

How could i have forgotten such a sweet signature? BTW your avatar look like a big "L"
i think of oc sometime also, i still missing some peoples form there.
And yes, it was a great place to meet, share and talk. And i thank all the VP staff to keep it alive.

-Do not follow me, I'M LOST-

peacekitty's picture

I kind of hope they make an

I kind of hope they make an L-word movie. Even if it sucks we'll have fun talking about it. Smile

"Fight Prime Time. Read a Book"

yonks's picture

Naughty you, craving for a

Naughty you, craving for a good fight?

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peacekitty's picture

Nah it's just fun to talk

Nah it's just fun to talk about the L-word. I was agreeing with Tex on how we all got to meet each other through the show.

"Fight Prime Time. Read a Book"

Tiff's picture

Good point. :)

Good point. Smile

peacekitty's picture

Back at ya Tex. :)

Back at ya Tex. Smile

"Fight Prime Time. Read a Book"

Steph's picture

I'm sending the love too!!

I'm sending the love too!! Smile