Go Bears, Go. Not only did they trounce the Lions today, but they did while taking part in the "initiative the NFL is calling 'A Crucial Catch: Annual Screening Saves Lives.' Starting today and continuing through the month, the league is encouraging annual mammograms for women older than 40 by having players wear pink gear."
The Bears wore pink gloves and sweatbands and used pink towels. Bears quarterback Jay Cutler's mom is a breast cancer survivor and he wore pink cleats today.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
One of our local newscasters was wearing pink this morning, hot pink pumps. Have you heard of this "Walk a mile in her shoes" event, Rusty? It's the second year and men all walk a mile in high heels to raise money for victims of domestic violence. It was started by a former city attorney. Awesome.
On the flip side, the guy who founded the event said the governor cut funding to places that help domestic violence victims. Asshat.
Submitted by Robin Rigby on Mon, 2009-10-05 10:05.
Color me disappointed. I'm reading the side bar about the new Lez show by the creators of Ellen and discover that one of the leads is preggers with the baby of he x husband. Just once, couldn't we have a lesbian show that doesn't have to pay homage to boys?
Does Chocolate Ice cream count as a food? That is my Favorite! Foof Food , my dad was Irish, and my mom was Italian ,So I would have to say mashed potatoes and Spagetti !!
My dad was Irish too, but loved Italian. We used to boil up a big pot of pasta for the six of us and then add enough tomato sauce to make it the consistency of Irish Stew. We should have a homemade sauce Throw Down.
Never had irish stew! Even though Im half Irish ,sounds good though are you making some? what time should i be there? I can seriously throw down some sauce though !! lolollol
Never had irish stew! Even though Im half Irish ,sounds good though are you making some? what time should i be there? I can seriously throw down some sauce though !! lolollol
Just give me a couple of days notice and I'll have it simmering. Like most stews, it is best when the flavors have had a chance to meld. As for the sauce, the more the merrier!
I say anything tomato base. The hard part will be finding impartial judges. And bring your A game, Girlie, because I'l be starting with home grown tomatoes.
I can always go to the local farmers market. No place to grow tomatoes myself. Oh, and that whole 'lacking a green thumb' thing always gets in my way.
I'm sure it won't be that hard to find impartial judges. Oh, we're having a cooking competition at work. The supervisors all have to make their signature dish and bring it in. I asked to be a judge and then warned them all that I will be channeling Toby from Top Chef.
Submitted by Robin Rigby on Sun, 2009-10-04 12:07.
Robin, it may be your lucky day on the cook off front. Hard to be sure without opening the mosquito laden door, but it looks like the storm did a real number on my new tomato plants. And we don't even have a decent farmer's market. Guess that's what I get for being sassy.
There are bigger issues going on here at VP (see previous open thread).
I go to sleep for a few hours (dam time difference), come to Velvetpark for my daily dose of lesbian 'sanity' (in a cruel and straight world) and see that all hell has broken loose! .. again.
So long as there are (I assume) many lesbians lurking here and not participating, there are going to be personality clashes .... I can't see that improving, until there are more people. There are so few of us commenting, that we almost know what each other is going to say. It gets incestuous (for want of a better word) and we begin to eat our own.
It would help if we knew more about each other ... via a profile and picture(a real one) ... I get that a few people want to be private (for reasons of, not being out yet, fame or whatever), but it's the anonymity aspect of the internet that causes the most tension.
It bothers me that people here are obviously aware of who others are and yet, I have been at OC and VP for years now and I still don't have a clue who they are. I often get the feeling there are some backstories here, that I am not in on.
There is no point hiding behind avatars and a fake names, if personal details are going to be exposed anyway and used against each other in 'fights'.
Some of us do know each other in the 'real' world. Rusty just happens to live near me and Minnie was visiting this summer so we met. Everyone got to see the results of that in the videos I edited of our chat. I know there's other folks who either know each other for some prior reason (like me and Julia Watson) or have met online here and then met in the real world. So, yeah some of us know each other outside of VP.
It has to be hard for the folks who are outside the USA since most of us are US-based. I don't know that a picture is the way to get people to know each other more. I've been using pics of myself. Does that mean you know more about me because you have seen me?
You bring up good points I'm just not sure that they bring us any closer to a solution. Maybe if enough do go to The Dinah as Grace suggested and get to know each other... Or a similar event.
Submitted by Robin Rigby on Sun, 2009-10-04 00:43.
Good points Robin but I think there's more to it than that. Often the interractions on VP resemble cliquish drama at a lesbian bar. Sometimes when I come here I fel like Iv'e just walked into a verbal fight between two rival lesbian groups. Example: why is it okay for Lake to make a snide, judgmental comment at MacLass like "Boy..the hypocrisy sure runs deep here.", but when MacLass expresses her discomfort at feeling attacked many people jump to Lake's defense and vilify MacLass?
(I don't mean to single you out Lake I'm just trying to make a point based on the interractions I've read.)
Come on ladies are we adults? I couldn't even make the simple statement that I don't want to get into an "online pissing match" without the person taking it personally and accusing me of being purposely disrespectful.
Would this happen if we were talking to each other in real life? I doubt it.
If I were a new visitor and stumbled up some of these arguments I would stay far away.
p.s.
Annie Oakly I have to be honest and say that it is clear to me that you intend for your comments to be incindiary and negative and it makes me very uncomfortable....to the point where I cringe when I see your post before I've even read it. Is that the response you're trying to get from people? If so how do you expect people to listen to your argument when you do that?
PK, your points are well-taken. I would add, though, that what you might call 'cliquish' behavior is merely a natural outgrowth of people finding commonality. Cliques to my mind are static entities, as in high-school where you often stick by your friends whether you think them right or wrong. I don't think that happens here, because I think alliances are always shifting based on whatever the idea at hand is. That's been my experience, anyway...
The reason several VPers came to Lake's defense was probably because they have had similar experiences with ML where they have been personally attacked by her, only to have her declare herself the injured party, as though she has in no way been responsible for the tenor of the dialogue. So I think people were acting out of a commonality of feeling rather than membership in some sort of clique.
I get what you're saying, but sometimes the difference really is where it all started. People can only sit back and stoically read the same things over and over for just so long. No matter how hard we try to be, eventually something is going to give. It isn't simple. Sometimes there is a whole lot of manipulation going on. Sometimes you have to be on and looking at the right page for the right 2 or 3 minutes to see it.
I do agree though, that the community would be better off without folks who's only discernible purpose here seems to be devaluing others and stirring up trouble. For the most part, even those of us who spat also have constructive discussions. When that is not happening, something is amiss.
I'm not going there again about how ML edited her comment so that Lake came off looking like the ass. I know what she did. She knows what she did (even if she won't admit it) and I'm done talking about it.
As to your 'pissing match' comment- Rusty presented her point of view and you responded with that. I think you were out of line. All she was doing was expressing an opinion. So who's being attacked around here?
My main point to Joanne was that I'm not sure that just posting pics of ourselves is going to change anything but that I'm not sure what will. After all, both you and Rusty have pics of yourselves posted. I have my pic. Lake was using hers for a while... Nothing has changed.
Joanne may have a point with the idea that more people would help to keep personal stuff from taking over the site. I think the difference between here and OC is that Grace doesn't have the big advertising budget and therefore can't get the word out to millions of lesbians around the world.
As to Annie- She is just out of control with the vitriol.
Submitted by Robin Rigby on Sun, 2009-10-04 11:29.
I don't think that posting a photo is going to change the world (or in this case Velvetpark), but I do think that when people use their real name and image/identity on the internet, they take more ownership over their comments and are more thoughtful about the way they interact.
I appreciate that when I'm taking to you, I know I'm talking to Robin Rigby, I see your face and I know who I'm dealing with (as much as you can 'know' someone over the interwebs).
What 'sparked' me off yesterday, wasn't just the disagreement on here. I was invited to join another lesbian site (via facebook) ... Out of curiosity (and concern) I took a look, as they were claiming to be the site that wants to replace OurChart.
I don't know how long that site has existed (it seems new), but the number of members made me go wtf? ... How did all these people find this obscure lesbian site (with a weird name) and why are they not (that I'm aware of) at Velvetpark?!
Interesting. I hadn't heard of this other site. Of course only Grace and her tech folks know how many members there are and how many unique visitors in a given time period and since that's the kind of information that websites use to get advertising I don't expect her to release it. There may well be thousands of registered VP users, who knows, but I would say that a site that is advertising themselves as the new Our Chart will probably get a lot of traffic from lesbians searching for Our Chart or anything L Word related. I bet if I googled OC I'd find this site you speak of.
Of course they are also tempting fate because if Showtime catches on to them and they didn't pay for the rights to use what I assume is a copyrighted name... Well, you can imagine.
Submitted by Robin Rigby on Sun, 2009-10-04 22:08.
I also think Joanne is on track. The simple truth is, families fight. And like it or not, in many aspects that is what this community most closely resembles. I don't think the difference in numbers at OC was advertising nearly as much as it was the association with the L Word and the ladies there of.
Another thing that I think we should look at totally honestly is that the OC was no more a land of puppy dogs and rainbows than VP is. In fact, if anything OC lacked the significant healing qualities of this site's purer motivations. I lurked at OC for quite a while and was both embraced and attacked when I finally came on. It taught me a lot about how to protect myself in the world of the web. I also got quite a few very disturbing PMs on that site, which fortunately has not happened here.
When it comes right down to it, Grace is the one I feel for here. She has taken on the often seemingly insurmountable task of presenting content and encouraging intellectual discourse, while simultaneously offering a social forum. I'm beginning to wonder if those two goals simple conflict too much.
I think the problem is that comments are easily misunderstood without body language and tone of voice. Alos, it's clear to me that I'm not very well-liked around here. I can deal with that.
I like you. I don't think I am the only one. I like that you sometimes say what needs to be said. Maybe that annoys a few others, but its impossible to have everyone like you always. Since this is a public forum, not my own living room, I figure I will not just be hanging out with like-minded friends here.
Is fluffernutter peanut butter and marshmallow fluff? I worked at an ice cream shop in high school and we used to use a creamy pb & fluff sauce for on the sundaes & splits. It was really good on their rocky road ice cream. Yum!
There's my favorite. Anything that includes peanut butter and chocolate. Reese's, Ben & Jerry's Peanut Butter Cup. You name it.
Submitted by Robin Rigby on Sun, 2009-10-04 00:19.
Calling someone a Communist is "red-baiting." Quoting incessantly from Glenn Beck makes someone a right wing hack. Sorry, I'm not sure what you are objecting to.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
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Real Men Wear Pink
Go Bears, Go. Not only did they trounce the Lions today, but they did while taking part in the "initiative the NFL is calling 'A Crucial Catch: Annual Screening Saves Lives.' Starting today and continuing through the month, the league is encouraging annual mammograms for women older than 40 by having players wear pink gear."
The Bears wore pink gloves and sweatbands and used pink towels. Bears quarterback Jay Cutler's mom is a breast cancer survivor and he wore pink cleats today.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
One of our local newscasters
One of our local newscasters was wearing pink this morning, hot pink pumps. Have you heard of this "Walk a mile in her shoes" event, Rusty? It's the second year and men all walk a mile in high heels to raise money for victims of domestic violence. It was started by a former city attorney. Awesome.
On the flip side, the guy who founded the event said the governor cut funding to places that help domestic violence victims. Asshat.
That was Awesome....
All the Pink that was worn around the league ....very cool!!!! ;) Bears are looking good this year!
Lake
Judging by the remaining
Judging by the remaining comments, it seems it was a good thing my computer broke down for a couple of days....
Growing up, I had an overactive metabloism, so my favourite food was anything that didn't run away too fast.
Lez + Guy = Disappointment
Color me disappointed. I'm reading the side bar about the new Lez show by the creators of Ellen and discover that one of the leads is preggers with the baby of he x husband. Just once, couldn't we have a lesbian show that doesn't have to pay homage to boys?
What if I have more than one?
Does Chocolate Ice cream count as a food? That is my Favorite! Foof Food , my dad was Irish, and my mom was Italian ,So I would have to say mashed potatoes and Spagetti !!
Peace out
Rosie
Spaghetti = Yum!
Rosie,
My dad was Irish too, but loved Italian. We used to boil up a big pot of pasta for the six of us and then add enough tomato sauce to make it the consistency of Irish Stew.
We should have a homemade sauce Throw Down. 
irish stew
Never had irish stew! Even though Im half Irish ,sounds good though are you making some? what time should i be there? I can seriously throw down some sauce though !! lolollol
Peace out
Rosie
irish stew
Never had irish stew! Even though Im half Irish ,sounds good though are you making some? what time should i be there? I can seriously throw down some sauce though !! lolollol
Peace out
Rosie
Rosie,
Just give me a couple of days notice and I'll have it simmering. Like most stews, it is best when the flavors have had a chance to meld. As for the sauce, the more the merrier!
Oh, it is ON! I make a darn
Oh, it is ON! I make a darn good spaghetti sauce. You need to specify though- traditional tomato sauce, meat sauce, or a non-traditional sauce?
Tomato based
I say anything tomato base. The hard part will be finding impartial judges. And bring your A game, Girlie, because I'l be starting with home grown tomatoes.
I can always go to the local
I can always go to the local farmers market. No place to grow tomatoes myself. Oh, and that whole 'lacking a green thumb' thing always gets in my way.
I'm sure it won't be that hard to find impartial judges. Oh, we're having a cooking competition at work. The supervisors all have to make their signature dish and bring it in. I asked to be a judge and then warned them all that I will be channeling Toby from Top Chef.
Smashed Green Tomatoes, Anyone?
Robin, it may be your lucky day on the cook off front. Hard to be sure without opening the mosquito laden door, but it looks like the storm did a real number on my new tomato plants. And we don't even have a decent farmer's market. Guess that's what I get for being sassy.
Favourite food? ... who cares.
There are bigger issues going on here at VP (see previous open thread).
I go to sleep for a few hours (dam time difference), come to Velvetpark for my daily dose of lesbian 'sanity' (in a cruel and straight world) and see that all hell has broken loose! .. again.
So long as there are (I assume) many lesbians lurking here and not participating, there are going to be personality clashes .... I can't see that improving, until there are more people. There are so few of us commenting, that we almost know what each other is going to say. It gets incestuous (for want of a better word) and we begin to eat our own.
It would help if we knew more about each other ... via a profile and picture (a real one) ... I get that a few people want to be private (for reasons of, not being out yet, fame or whatever), but it's the anonymity aspect of the internet that causes the most tension.
It bothers me that people here are obviously aware of who others are and yet, I have been at OC and VP for years now and I still don't have a clue who they are. I often get the feeling there are some backstories here, that I am not in on.
There is no point hiding behind avatars and a fake names, if personal details are going to be exposed anyway and used against each other in 'fights'.
Discuss.
Some of us do know each other
Some of us do know each other in the 'real' world. Rusty just happens to live near me and Minnie was visiting this summer so we met. Everyone got to see the results of that in the videos I edited of our chat. I know there's other folks who either know each other for some prior reason (like me and Julia Watson) or have met online here and then met in the real world. So, yeah some of us know each other outside of VP.
It has to be hard for the folks who are outside the USA since most of us are US-based. I don't know that a picture is the way to get people to know each other more. I've been using pics of myself. Does that mean you know more about me because you have seen me?
You bring up good points I'm just not sure that they bring us any closer to a solution. Maybe if enough do go to The Dinah as Grace suggested and get to know each other... Or a similar event.
Good points Robin but I think
Good points Robin but I think there's more to it than that. Often the interractions on VP resemble cliquish drama at a lesbian bar. Sometimes when I come here I fel like Iv'e just walked into a verbal fight between two rival lesbian groups. Example: why is it okay for Lake to make a snide, judgmental comment at MacLass like "Boy..the hypocrisy sure runs deep here.", but when MacLass expresses her discomfort at feeling attacked many people jump to Lake's defense and vilify MacLass?
(I don't mean to single you out Lake I'm just trying to make a point based on the interractions I've read.)
Come on ladies are we adults? I couldn't even make the simple statement that I don't want to get into an "online pissing match" without the person taking it personally and accusing me of being purposely disrespectful.
Would this happen if we were talking to each other in real life? I doubt it.
If I were a new visitor and stumbled up some of these arguments I would stay far away.
p.s.
Annie Oakly I have to be honest and say that it is clear to me that you intend for your comments to be incindiary and negative and it makes me very uncomfortable....to the point where I cringe when I see your post before I've even read it. Is that the response you're trying to get from people? If so how do you expect people to listen to your argument when you do that?
"Fight Prime Time. Read a Book"
PK, your points are
PK, your points are well-taken. I would add, though, that what you might call 'cliquish' behavior is merely a natural outgrowth of people finding commonality. Cliques to my mind are static entities, as in high-school where you often stick by your friends whether you think them right or wrong. I don't think that happens here, because I think alliances are always shifting based on whatever the idea at hand is. That's been my experience, anyway...
The reason several VPers came to Lake's defense was probably because they have had similar experiences with ML where they have been personally attacked by her, only to have her declare herself the injured party, as though she has in no way been responsible for the tenor of the dialogue. So I think people were acting out of a commonality of feeling rather than membership in some sort of clique.
PK
I get what you're saying, but sometimes the difference really is where it all started. People can only sit back and stoically read the same things over and over for just so long. No matter how hard we try to be, eventually something is going to give. It isn't simple. Sometimes there is a whole lot of manipulation going on. Sometimes you have to be on and looking at the right page for the right 2 or 3 minutes to see it.
I do agree though, that the community would be better off without folks who's only discernible purpose here seems to be devaluing others and stirring up trouble. For the most part, even those of us who spat also have constructive discussions. When that is not happening, something is amiss.
Peace
I'm not going there again
I'm not going there again about how ML edited her comment so that Lake came off looking like the ass. I know what she did. She knows what she did (even if she won't admit it) and I'm done talking about it.
As to your 'pissing match' comment- Rusty presented her point of view and you responded with that. I think you were out of line. All she was doing was expressing an opinion. So who's being attacked around here?
My main point to Joanne was that I'm not sure that just posting pics of ourselves is going to change anything but that I'm not sure what will. After all, both you and Rusty have pics of yourselves posted. I have my pic. Lake was using hers for a while... Nothing has changed.
Joanne may have a point with the idea that more people would help to keep personal stuff from taking over the site. I think the difference between here and OC is that Grace doesn't have the big advertising budget and therefore can't get the word out to millions of lesbians around the world.
As to Annie- She is just out of control with the vitriol.
Just for clarity ...
I don't think that posting a photo is going to change the world (or in this case Velvetpark), but I do think that when people use their real name and image/identity on the internet, they take more ownership over their comments and are more thoughtful about the way they interact.
I appreciate that when I'm taking to you, I know I'm talking to Robin Rigby, I see your face and I know who I'm dealing with (as much as you can 'know' someone over the interwebs).
What 'sparked' me off yesterday, wasn't just the disagreement on here. I was invited to join another lesbian site (via facebook) ... Out of curiosity (and concern) I took a look, as they were claiming to be the site that wants to replace OurChart.
I don't know how long that site has existed (it seems new), but the number of members made me go wtf? ... How did all these people find this obscure lesbian site (with a weird name) and why are they not (that I'm aware of) at Velvetpark?!
Interesting. I hadn't heard
Interesting. I hadn't heard of this other site. Of course only Grace and her tech folks know how many members there are and how many unique visitors in a given time period and since that's the kind of information that websites use to get advertising I don't expect her to release it. There may well be thousands of registered VP users, who knows, but I would say that a site that is advertising themselves as the new Our Chart will probably get a lot of traffic from lesbians searching for Our Chart or anything L Word related. I bet if I googled OC I'd find this site you speak of.
Of course they are also tempting fate because if Showtime catches on to them and they didn't pay for the rights to use what I assume is a copyrighted name... Well, you can imagine.
Families Fight
I also think Joanne is on track. The simple truth is, families fight. And like it or not, in many aspects that is what this community most closely resembles. I don't think the difference in numbers at OC was advertising nearly as much as it was the association with the L Word and the ladies there of.
Another thing that I think we should look at totally honestly is that the OC was no more a land of puppy dogs and rainbows than VP is. In fact, if anything OC lacked the significant healing qualities of this site's purer motivations. I lurked at OC for quite a while and was both embraced and attacked when I finally came on. It taught me a lot about how to protect myself in the world of the web. I also got quite a few very disturbing PMs on that site, which fortunately has not happened here.
When it comes right down to it, Grace is the one I feel for here. She has taken on the often seemingly insurmountable task of presenting content and encouraging intellectual discourse, while simultaneously offering a social forum. I'm beginning to wonder if those two goals simple conflict too much.
I think the problem is that
I think the problem is that comments are easily misunderstood without body language and tone of voice. Alos, it's clear to me that I'm not very well-liked around here. I can deal with that.
"Fight Prime Time. Read a Book"
I like you. I don't think I
I like you. I don't think I am the only one. I like that you sometimes say what needs to be said. Maybe that annoys a few others, but its impossible to have everyone like you always. Since this is a public forum, not my own living room, I figure I will not just be hanging out with like-minded friends here.
Meow!
I had a whole lot of fun designing your underware.
Visuals, ladies. We need visuals!
my fav was oreos and peanut
my fav was oreos and peanut butter
Oh YUM. I have got to try
Oh YUM. I have got to try that one.
"Fight Prime Time. Read a Book"
tell me what you think when
tell me what you think when you do
I'll let you know. Peanut
I'll let you know. Peanut butter and oreos are two of my favorite foods so I'm sure I'll love them together.
"Fight Prime Time. Read a Book"
yeah you will. I promise you
yeah you will. I promise you that. You can even mix it with ice cream.
Excellent combination. How
Excellent combination. How about Fluffernutters?
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
I never heard of that before.
I never heard of that before. What is it?
Fluffernutters
Fluffernutters are made with peanut butter and Marshmallow Fluff. It comes in a jar.
http://www.marshmallowfluff.com/pages/fluffernutter.html
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
I will so try it.
I will so try it.
F&N
My brother and I used to love F&N.
Is fluffernutter peanut
Is fluffernutter peanut butter and marshmallow fluff? I worked at an ice cream shop in high school and we used to use a creamy pb & fluff sauce for on the sundaes & splits. It was really good on their rocky road ice cream. Yum!
There's my favorite. Anything that includes peanut butter and chocolate. Reese's, Ben & Jerry's Peanut Butter Cup. You name it.
Fluffernutters
That's exactly what it is Robin. Fluffernutters with sliced bananas are also quite tasty.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
Where can I find 3 Rivers?
I missed the premier of Three Rivers and can't find it online anywhere. Anyone have a clue?
Sunday night
Tae, I stopped over at CBS and the site says that it premieres Sunday, October 4, 2009. So maybe you really didn't miss it.
Still searching for the right brainy quote.
Time warp?
Some how I had it in my head that today was the 6th. Captain, we may have entered a worm hole.
Thanks for rebooting my system.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
<ignore>Does anyone here speak Trolltard? I need a few comments translated.</ignroe>
Crossed the line. Sorry.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
Oh goodie. The red-baiting
Oh goodie. The red-baiting rightwing hack is here.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
....
and Grace wonders why more Our Chart girls haven't come to VP...
Calling someone a Communist
Calling someone a Communist is "red-baiting." Quoting incessantly from Glenn Beck makes someone a right wing hack. Sorry, I'm not sure what you are objecting to.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
The Steampunk Weapon will have to wait
Lucky Window: Too drunk to use the Dremel—AND sober enough to realize it.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
Drem this mother frakker
Hmmm. It's getting tricky. Drunk enough to think a cup of coffee means it might be ok to use the Dremel.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
step. away. from. the.
step. away. from. the. powertools.
my favorite food growing up
when i was an infant i've been told i lived off of KFC mashed potatoes...
as a kid.. spaghetti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlZsfTZ3EDI
Biscuits!
I love KFC's incredibly bad for you biscuits and honey! Fortunately, there is not one convenient to my place.