Rachel just did a wonder segment on a Chinese patriotic celebrations comprised of several large all female malitia groups in mini skirts, Go-Go boots, and machine guns.
Also a high energy night in pin stripes. How much do we love this woman?
Left this link further down. Listen at least to this radio program beginning around minute 13 and keep going until you get through the part about the mass media, MSNBC and GE (although the whole thing is worth a listen, including the obscene Obama campaign fraud beginning approx @ minute 41):
What are they talking about? In part this, which Gigi Gaston, a lesbian filmmaker, documented (make sure you click the preview link on the right to see excerpts):
I don't hate Rachel at all, just as I don't hate Obama. I criticize them.
Since when: criticism = hate? That's just not so, in fact it's often the opposite. If you have high expectations of someone, or you see great potential in them, but then see them take the easier or corrupter or lesser road, it's perfectly legitimate to criticize them. Just not on this blog!
Submitted by Annie Oaklee (not verified) on Sat, 2009-10-03 02:32.
That was a frakkin amazing story. I have to admit I jumped out of my chair and cheered when that ball sailed over the left field fence into the 2nd deck; on a 3-1 pitch on his 2nd at bat.
(Tae is in the Park. Somebody gimme a woo-wooo)
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
I'm watching the Senate Finance debate on the Public Option amendments. It's very clear that the lying ReThugs understand that if they tell the truth to the American people THEY WILL LOSE. This is beyond sick.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
is for the Dems to grow a pair or two. Much as I hate all of the asshattery from the other side, it is our supposed peeps that have committed the true travesty.
I'm holding out hope, but I have had it with Dems in the Senate saying "Well, we don't have 60 votes yet." That is bullshit. You NEVER heard ReThugs talking as though 60 was the new 51. I am sick of the spinelessness. Rachel did a piece about this earlier this month. I'm pretty sure you posted it. It had the basketball player that some of the femmes got weak-kneed over.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
"Eliminationism, an ideology rejecting dialogue and debate in favor of the pursuit of outright elimination of the opposing side, either through suppression, exile, and eviction, or extermination."
That definition was taken from a review of today's reading assignment: The Eliminationists: How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right (Paperback)
The ACORN story is a perfect example of why it's more difficult to argue the progressive side of any argument. Their arguments fit on a bumper sticker. Ours don't. It's sloganeering vs policy explanations.
The ReThugs and their allies from Rove, to Palin, to Beck have simplistic 1 line slogans to slam ACORN (sadly a couple of ACORN workers made that even easier).
But to tell the whole story it will take Maddow and others multiple 10+ minute segments. In the meantime, the public has already made up their minds and spineless Dems are joining ReThugs in a knee-jerk reaction of the wrong kind.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
The other issue is that those who have already made up their minds are too darn pigheaded to even listen to opposing viewpoints. Probably fear that someone might say something that makes sense and they'll have to question their entire world view. God forbid!
Submitted by Robin Rigby on Tue, 2009-09-29 10:21.
I'm right there with you. There are some things I know to be true that I wish weren't. The world is an imperfect place, inhabited by imperfect people. Probably why I've been thinking of camping these past couple of days. Time alone in the wilderness...
I have strong opinions on subjects too but always try to stay open to the idea that I could be wrong or not even wrong but just need to adjust or refine my thoughts. The thing is that shouting at me, telling me I'm wrong, etc doesn't work. You need to present calm, reasoned facts and then I'll listen. Gladly.
Submitted by Robin Rigby on Sat, 2009-10-03 11:10.
Opinionated? Sure I'd say that about myself. Do I try to pass my opinion off as "journalism"? No.
Do I push corporate interests? no again!
But if we're going to get personal, why is VP so unequivacolly in service of supporting MSNBC/GE?
Where is critical thought here?? Is everything in this country purchased?
I question how people with influence, such as Maddow, can consistently push corporate interests while pretending to be honest and "for the people". And I am constantly amazed and saddened at how much of the public – including the public here – buys into it, without questioning, without criticism, without independent thought.
It seems that "attractiveness" is the only criteria necessary and desired.
If not, maybe readers would listen to some critical thought from some other women, including lesbian filmmaker Gigi Gaston?
I'm listening to this radio show now, Gigi is one of the invited guests, and beginning around minute 13 is especially relevant to MSNBC & Maddow. Beginning around minute 41 will give you tremendous insight as to how the current administration operates. Listen with an open mind, if you dare!:
"It seems that "attractiveness" is the only criteria necessary and desired."
I'm hoping that this statement wasn't directed towards my silly statements about 'loving' RM, and finding her to be adorable. If it was, let me explain to you how I feel about RM....
Annie, I truly enjoy reading your opinions....I rarely agree, but I respect that all of us have our own feelings, and observations, concerning a plethora of subjects - some serious, and some not so serious.
Yes, you are correct, she is working for a major corporation. Very few of us don't.... Perhaps her connection, to that corporation, has afforded her the opportunity to open the hearts and minds of viewers who had never even heard of her prior to her 'corporate relationship'.
IMO, regardless of how we may feel towards the corporate owned news media conglomerates, they are a reality, and if a woman who lives a marginalized life has the opportunity to express herself, and say many of the same things that I feel - in a televised format - then I can only support her. We should hope that her message is being received with respect by those who have never been exposed to an out lesbian entering their living rooms daily. Her messages are poignant and, at times, sprinkled with her life experiences, IMO, that's perfectly fine.
I have listened to her report 'facts', and I have listened to her 'personal opinions'..... both are necessary because of her unique perspective in broadcast journalism.
There are times when I will listen to Brian Williams on NBC. He reports the facts as he believes them to be. And, there are times when he reports on a subject that touches his personal life, he will give his own opinion. It is my belief that an individual viewing, knows the difference between reporting facts, and an individual who relates existing subject matter, to their own personal life experiences....
Yes, I do joke about her and how cute I think she is. I do think she's adorable, and looks as cuddly as a koala bear. But Annie, that's just my silly side.....
If you and I were to sit down and discuss journalism, I would tell you that I respect her ability to bring a story to the public in a manner that they have not been viewed previously - and that I respect her work ethic. It appears obvious that her 'fair' handling of subject matter has managed to illicit respect for her from all of the major news media outlets. And of course, her ability to stand strong when confronting some of the foolish individuals that have been on her show, is evidence that she knows how to handle herself in a professional and controlled way....
So, in conclusion - Annie, we all have our own personal reasons for either appreciating her style, or not. And, I don't see anyone's opinion about RM as being right or wrong. The important issue is that she is out there, she is garnering respect, and along the way her presence will make it easier for the next 'out' lesbian journalist to be accepted by mainstream America. This is a huge step, and I'm sure that she understands the pressure that she's under.
Each small step brings us one step closer to, hopefully, the day when the viewers won't care if a journalist is lesbian, or gay. It would be nice if, all journalists could be accepted for their talent, ability, and drive to bring the truth before the public. Until then, I will adore her smile and her persistent, determined, strong-willed, tireless, resolute, unwavering, tenacious attitude towards the news that affects all of our lives....
And yeah, she's adorable. But hey - Annie, I also think that Katie Couric is adorable.
Submitted by MacLass_19 (not verified) on Wed, 2009-09-30 23:04.
maclass - no, my statement wasn't directed at you (follow the thread - it's not posted under your post)
"The important issue is that she is out there, she is garnering respect, and along the way her presence will make it easier for the next 'out' lesbian journalist to be accepted by mainstream America."
That may be what's most important for you. My criteria includes more than simply "cute out lesbian who will make it easier on the next out lesbian".
I'm looking for some journistic integrity, which I feel is missing too often with Maddow. But again, she's working for GE, and MSNBC most definitely has had a pro-Obama agenda for as long as I can remember.
Submitted by Annie Oaklee (not verified) on Sat, 2009-10-03 03:15.
You will never convince me that Maddow "sold out" to anyone or any corporation. Seriously.
How you can suggest Rachel Maddow is missing "journalistic integrity" is beyond me? ... Of all the talking heads on TV, Rachel obviously has a strict code of ethics for herself ... if she makes the slightest f*ck up, she corrects herself in the next show.
Rachel also was a vocal critic of O during his campaign ... I believe she spoke a number of times of how "underwhelmed" (paraphrasing) she was with Obama.
Did anyone hear something? All I'm getting is that same old derogatory droning. You know, the thoughtless one Whaa-wa-wa-wa that discredits anyone who doesn't buy into her drivel and projects her own aggressive closemindedness onto others.
I dare to say that If you have a way of looking through the computer to see what I'm doing and into my mind, let me know because I want to put up a privacy shield.
The point is you don't know what I do when I am not on this site and just because I don't respond to every damn comment about the Obama administration does not mean that I don't question some things that go on.
You try my good nature.
If I never see another comment from you it will be too soon. You may flag this comment now.
I dare say if you actually read comments (I mean really read, not just skim and jump to conclusions) you might understand that Minnie was using herself as a way to explain that your vast over-generalizations are not valid.
Submitted by Robin Rigby on Sat, 2009-10-03 09:58.
You do realize that you're agreeing with Sugarsnaps! who admitted in her initial post that she refused to even watch the video that Grace posted, right?
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
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Satisfaction Maddow Style
Rachel just did a wonder segment on a Chinese patriotic celebrations comprised of several large all female malitia groups in mini skirts, Go-Go boots, and machine guns.
Also a high energy night in pin stripes. How much do we love this woman?
The ACORN eight!
The ACORN eight! When will Dear Rachel invite them to her show?
My parade chant for the big march
We're here. We're queer. We like Rachel Maddow. If you don't like it, deal.
Still searching for the right brainy quote.
I'm just a little in love with RM
How could anyone not adore this girl. It seems impossible to me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAVFuKJHOl4
rachel sold out to GE
Left this link further down. Listen at least to this radio program beginning around minute 13 and keep going until you get through the part about the mass media, MSNBC and GE (although the whole thing is worth a listen, including the obscene Obama campaign fraud beginning approx @ minute 41):
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/FreeMeNow/2009/09/29/The-Majority-United-fo...
What are they talking about? In part this, which Gigi Gaston, a lesbian filmmaker, documented (make sure you click the preview link on the right to see excerpts):
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/
Annie
You should meet this woman 'Becky' on another site ... You would have an instant bond - she hates Rachel as much as you do
wrong category
I don't hate Rachel at all, just as I don't hate Obama. I criticize them.
Since when: criticism = hate? That's just not so, in fact it's often the opposite. If you have high expectations of someone, or you see great potential in them, but then see them take the easier or corrupter or lesser road, it's perfectly legitimate to criticize them. Just not on this blog!
Baseball Geek Nirvana
Just watched Rache geek out over a baseball prophecy come to fruition.
Ahh...
I got a little teary eyed
That was a frakkin amazing story. I have to admit I jumped out of my chair and cheered when that ball sailed over the left field fence into the 2nd deck; on a 3-1 pitch on his 2nd at bat.
(Tae is in the Park. Somebody gimme a woo-wooo)
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
Who? Who?
Now I wanna play ball. Anyone for batting practice? A game of catch? Anyone?
Liars
I'm watching the Senate Finance debate on the Public Option amendments. It's very clear that the lying ReThugs understand that if they tell the truth to the American people THEY WILL LOSE. This is beyond sick.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
i'm really disapointed by this...
we need a hail mary to get that pub op back in and i don't think its gonna happen
tweet tweet @gracemoon
What we need
is for the Dems to grow a pair or two. Much as I hate all of the asshattery from the other side, it is our supposed peeps that have committed the true travesty.
Yep
Exactly. If we can't get it done with 60 Dems in the Senate it will never get done.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
ENOUGH
I'm holding out hope, but I have had it with Dems in the Senate saying "Well, we don't have 60 votes yet." That is bullshit. You NEVER heard ReThugs talking as though 60 was the new 51. I am sick of the spinelessness. Rachel did a piece about this earlier this month. I'm pretty sure you posted it. It had the basketball player that some of the femmes got weak-kneed over.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
Eliminationism
"Eliminationism, an ideology rejecting dialogue and debate in favor of the pursuit of outright elimination of the opposing side, either through suppression, exile, and eviction, or extermination."
That definition was taken from a review of today's reading assignment: The Eliminationists: How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right (Paperback)
http://www.amazon.com/Eliminationists-Hate-Radicalized-American-Right/dp...
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
Anybody else getting logged
Anybody else getting logged out agianst their will this morning? It's happened 2x so far to me.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
It's a little slow ...
but I haven't gotten the boot yet!!!
Lake
We are actually going to be
moving severs at some point this week. our current server is slow and a pain in the ass.
So hopfully ya'll should see some improvements soon.
tweet tweet @gracemoon
Thank you. :)
Thank you. :)
"Fight Prime Time. Read a Book"
Cool....
Thank you!!!
Lake
Hillary Clinton probably
Hillary Clinton probably could have used RM back in the '90s when she was crying about the vast right wing conspiracy, which turned out to be true.
Still searching for the right brainy quote.
Good point.
Good point.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
Slogans ve policy
The ACORN story is a perfect example of why it's more difficult to argue the progressive side of any argument. Their arguments fit on a bumper sticker. Ours don't. It's sloganeering vs policy explanations.
The ReThugs and their allies from Rove, to Palin, to Beck have simplistic 1 line slogans to slam ACORN (sadly a couple of ACORN workers made that even easier).
But to tell the whole story it will take Maddow and others multiple 10+ minute segments. In the meantime, the public has already made up their minds and spineless Dems are joining ReThugs in a knee-jerk reaction of the wrong kind.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
The other issue is that those
The other issue is that those who have already made up their minds are too darn pigheaded to even listen to opposing viewpoints. Probably fear that someone might say something that makes sense and they'll have to question their entire world view. God forbid!
Yes
Exactly! I for sure have my opinions on stuff, but some of them, oh my gawd, how I would LOVE to be shown definitively that I am wrong!
I'm right there with you.
I'm right there with you. There are some things I know to be true that I wish weren't. The world is an imperfect place, inhabited by imperfect people. Probably why I've been thinking of camping these past couple of days. Time alone in the wilderness...
I have strong opinions on subjects too but always try to stay open to the idea that I could be wrong or not even wrong but just need to adjust or refine my thoughts. The thing is that shouting at me, telling me I'm wrong, etc doesn't work. You need to present calm, reasoned facts and then I'll listen. Gladly.
maddow blah blah, ba-ba ba ba-boom ba-da
O Goody! I get to be first!
Was just talkin' to my someone special and asked her "think if I go over to VP they'll have some Maddow post up?"
'n she, wise smartie that she is said "you betcha, Sugarsnaps!".
We've both given up on the Queen of General Electric, regardless of how cute and above average intelligence she is/has.
I can't even listen to her pushy slanted opinionated blah ba-ba-ba rants passing as...well, she probably considers herself a journalist.
funny
how we never see the qualities we dislike in someone else in ourselves.
tweet tweet @gracemoon
above average intelligence
Opinionated? Sure I'd say that about myself. Do I try to pass my opinion off as "journalism"? No.
Do I push corporate interests? no again!
But if we're going to get personal, why is VP so unequivacolly in service of supporting MSNBC/GE?
Where is critical thought here?? Is everything in this country purchased?
I question how people with influence, such as Maddow, can consistently push corporate interests while pretending to be honest and "for the people". And I am constantly amazed and saddened at how much of the public – including the public here – buys into it, without questioning, without criticism, without independent thought.
It seems that "attractiveness" is the only criteria necessary and desired.
If not, maybe readers would listen to some critical thought from some other women, including lesbian filmmaker Gigi Gaston?
I'm listening to this radio show now, Gigi is one of the invited guests, and beginning around minute 13 is especially relevant to MSNBC & Maddow. Beginning around minute 41 will give you tremendous insight as to how the current administration operates. Listen with an open mind, if you dare!:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/FreeMeNow/2009/09/29/The-Majority-United-fo...
AO
I am so sick of your sweeping over-generalizations and your judgement.
Hi Annie ~
"It seems that "attractiveness" is the only criteria necessary and desired."
I'm hoping that this statement wasn't directed towards my silly statements about 'loving' RM, and finding her to be adorable. If it was, let me explain to you how I feel about RM....
Annie, I truly enjoy reading your opinions....I rarely agree, but I respect that all of us have our own feelings, and observations, concerning a plethora of subjects - some serious, and some not so serious.
Yes, you are correct, she is working for a major corporation. Very few of us don't.... Perhaps her connection, to that corporation, has afforded her the opportunity to open the hearts and minds of viewers who had never even heard of her prior to her 'corporate relationship'.
IMO, regardless of how we may feel towards the corporate owned news media conglomerates, they are a reality, and if a woman who lives a marginalized life has the opportunity to express herself, and say many of the same things that I feel - in a televised format - then I can only support her. We should hope that her message is being received with respect by those who have never been exposed to an out lesbian entering their living rooms daily. Her messages are poignant and, at times, sprinkled with her life experiences, IMO, that's perfectly fine.
I have listened to her report 'facts', and I have listened to her 'personal opinions'..... both are necessary because of her unique perspective in broadcast journalism.
There are times when I will listen to Brian Williams on NBC. He reports the facts as he believes them to be. And, there are times when he reports on a subject that touches his personal life, he will give his own opinion. It is my belief that an individual viewing, knows the difference between reporting facts, and an individual who relates existing subject matter, to their own personal life experiences....
Yes, I do joke about her and how cute I think she is. I do think she's adorable, and looks as cuddly as a koala bear. But Annie, that's just my silly side.....
If you and I were to sit down and discuss journalism, I would tell you that I respect her ability to bring a story to the public in a manner that they have not been viewed previously - and that I respect her work ethic. It appears obvious that her 'fair' handling of subject matter has managed to illicit respect for her from all of the major news media outlets. And of course, her ability to stand strong when confronting some of the foolish individuals that have been on her show, is evidence that she knows how to handle herself in a professional and controlled way....
So, in conclusion - Annie, we all have our own personal reasons for either appreciating her style, or not. And, I don't see anyone's opinion about RM as being right or wrong. The important issue is that she is out there, she is garnering respect, and along the way her presence will make it easier for the next 'out' lesbian journalist to be accepted by mainstream America. This is a huge step, and I'm sure that she understands the pressure that she's under.
Each small step brings us one step closer to, hopefully, the day when the viewers won't care if a journalist is lesbian, or gay. It would be nice if, all journalists could be accepted for their talent, ability, and drive to bring the truth before the public. Until then, I will adore her smile and her persistent, determined, strong-willed, tireless, resolute, unwavering, tenacious attitude towards the news that affects all of our lives....
And yeah, she's adorable. But hey - Annie, I also think that Katie Couric is adorable.
out aint enuf
maclass - no, my statement wasn't directed at you (follow the thread - it's not posted under your post)
"The important issue is that she is out there, she is garnering respect, and along the way her presence will make it easier for the next 'out' lesbian journalist to be accepted by mainstream America."
That may be what's most important for you. My criteria includes more than simply "cute out lesbian who will make it easier on the next out lesbian".
I'm looking for some journistic integrity, which I feel is missing too often with Maddow. But again, she's working for GE, and MSNBC most definitely has had a pro-Obama agenda for as long as I can remember.
Annie
You will never convince me that Maddow "sold out" to anyone or any corporation. Seriously.
How you can suggest Rachel Maddow is missing "journalistic integrity" is beyond me? ... Of all the talking heads on TV, Rachel obviously has a strict code of ethics for herself ... if she makes the slightest f*ck up, she corrects herself in the next show.
Rachel also was a vocal critic of O during his campaign ... I believe she spoke a number of times of how "underwhelmed" (paraphrasing) she was with Obama.
not into converting pagans
I'm not out to convince anyone (providing examples, which I have in the past, is a waste of time here).
just stated MHO.
Whaa-wa-wa-wa?
Did anyone hear something? All I'm getting is that same old derogatory droning. You know, the thoughtless one Whaa-wa-wa-wa that discredits anyone who doesn't buy into her drivel and projects her own aggressive closemindedness onto others.
Like the adults in Charlie
Like the adults in Charlie Brown? Yes, I hear it, too.
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
I dare
I dare to say that If you have a way of looking through the computer to see what I'm doing and into my mind, let me know because I want to put up a privacy shield.
The point is you don't know what I do when I am not on this site and just because I don't respond to every damn comment about the Obama administration does not mean that I don't question some things that go on.
You try my good nature.
If I never see another comment from you it will be too soon. You may flag this comment now.
Still searching for the right brainy quote.
"looking to see what you're doing?" - um, no
It's really strange how you interpret so many comments I write to be personally directed at you.
I dare say if you actually
I dare say if you actually read comments (I mean really read, not just skim and jump to conclusions) you might understand that Minnie was using herself as a way to explain that your vast over-generalizations are not valid.
using
using herself...
interesting.
Thanks for the link Annie....
I found it quite interesting....
unfortunately, I don't think you'll find too many women around here willing to listen with an open mind.
You do realize you're
You do realize you're replying to the most close-minded person on here, right?
*boot heel click*
mystic: Salute Comrade!
Make sure you put her in her place!
*boot heel click*
Over the line
Congratulations Annie--consider yourself flagged.
thanks
thanks itty. I know. That's why you don't see me around here much!
Glad you liked the link. Curiosity is a sure sign of intelligence!
I love being...
thrown into a stereotype.....WOW!!
Lake
...
if the stereotype fits....
Supporting the closed minded
You do realize that you're agreeing with Sugarsnaps! who admitted in her initial post that she refused to even watch the video that Grace posted, right?
"When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." ~ Pollyanna
i actually just meant this part
"pushy slanted opinionated blah ba-ba-ba rants"
tweet tweet @gracemoon